In an unbelievable twist, conservative stalwart and handsome haired Rick Perry unveiled his flat tax plan today. The same flat tax that is used by despicable socialist countries from the former Soviet bloc of nations!
Yes it is true my poor deluded right leaning friends. the flat tax is popular with commie pinko godless socialists. And worse than that. Evil Muslim nations also have a flat tax. Like Iraq! And now we're leaving so we can't even make them go to a good and fair, capitalist all American graduated income tax like the socialist tax policy guy Rick Perry wants to do away with!
My God! Look at the nations that have a flat tax:
1.Bosnia-Herzegovina
2.Bulgaria
3.Albania
4.Czech Republic
5.Estonia
6.Georgia
7.Guernsey
8.Hungary
9.Kazakhstan
10.Iraq
11.Jersey
12.Kyrgyzstan
13.Latvia
14.Lithuania
15.Macedonia
16.Mongolia
17.Montenegro
18.Mauritius
19.Romania
20.Russia
21.Serbia
22.Slovakia
23.Ukraine
A more despicable rogues gallery of Muslims and pinkos hasn't existed since the fall of the Soviet Union! No doubt this commie tax loving pinko Rick Perry will be appointing Fidel Castro to our Supreme Court as a dying man's wish. Dirty commie!
Oh the shame of it all. No doubt Perry will be serving pinko romaine lettuce from pinko Romania at White House dinners. And eating cereal made from the wheat grown in pinko commie Ukraine whilst sipping commie Ruskie vodka. Toasting Joe Stalin with Putin who will be staying in the Lincoln Bedroom on weekends!
Republicans have made sure government policy hoards 99% of the money in the hands of the 1%. Now that they have it all in one place they will use their commie tricks to dominate us all. And it will start by getting that 1% the 99% have through Perry's commie pinko flat tax!
Enjoy life while you can my friends in the 99%. In a brutal twist, it will be the commie republicans who tax us into oblivion. See you all at the company store or the collective farm.
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This is, well, all too funny.
May I remind you of my flat tax concept I published some time back. If memory serves you liked it.
Guess it couldn't have been that good as The Daily Caller nor The American Thinker would pick it up.
Oh well. In light Ricardo Perry's proposal I may just have to dust it off, update and republish.
Joe - Eighty more comments and you'll match your previous post.
Well - make that 79. :)
Been arguing with Griper about tactics. Figured this was a good time to display a right wing bullshit tactic against a right to make things cleared for him.
But with Griper, nothing is ever clear.
Ricky's so desperate for attention he's rolling out the birther nut wagon again. Anything to bring America to its senses and admit only another Texas Republican governor can save us.
Hey Joe (where you goin with that gun in your hand?) ... you know, the old Jimi Hendrix tune(?) ... All shit aside, all this talk about this tax, that tax, 666 or 999 tax ... these MF's aint gonna do jack, but run their damn mouth, and Rick aint even the No#1 boy no mo ... it's ole baldheaded Cain or Hain or whatever ... heh, heh, heh, heh, heh ... Rick dont even know what the Hell he's doing or does anything at all in Texas as far as his job is concerned. As far as his good talk and hair, I talk better than him and sure as Hell have a Hell of alot mo hair! (not like in my profile pic, it's past my shoulder's these dayz) ... and I'll bet my paycheck aint none of these or what we even have now are gonna do squat ... we will keep the "Fat Tax" because it's all wrote legislatively by the "Fat Cat's". Just a lil humour Guy ... Beautiful day here on the Ranch and was just out back doin some target practice ... maybe I ought to borrow this pic you have at the header ... ya think? : )
George W. always ran to the republican base Dave. The bigots, religious nuts, homophobes and idiots. Perry learned much from Bush.
Hey Ranch Chimp. I'm goin down to shoot my barber for this lousy haircut.
I'd feel bad for you having Rick Perry for a governor but I had to live through George Ryan and Rod Blagojevich. My governors went to jail. Match that.
It is interesting to note that NONE of those countries have an income disparity as wide as ours...they wouldn't stand for such a situation!
When I first saw "Jersey", I initially thought that you were doing schtick. Then I remembered that it's also an island close to England. DAMN!!
Schtick? Who, me?
OWS is standing strong against the man Jack. There is hope for America after all.
Truth ... I like Blagovejich BTW. I voted Republican most of my life here in Texas, been a straight voting Democrat since 2005/ 2006 I believe. Governor's in Texas dont have the power like they do in most state's, the Lt. Gov in this state actually does/ has more, weird to explain, but bottom line is .. the "people" of Texas have the most power actually (as hard as that may be to believe, but true) What the issue is here, is who "actually" get's off their ass and vote's. Folk's like fundamoralist's, teabag's, and many on the right are not that large considering the population of this state (2nd largest in population to California), but these on the right stuck more together, set up voting registration booth's in church, community hall's,PTA social place's, etc, etc, and they push and get out to vote. Why did I vote GOP so many year's? Because the GOP was popular and strong here, most I worked with were strong republican's, and I worked for a local Rep politician 7 year's even, printed all their local campaign ad's etc, they were said also to represent entrepreneur's, SMALL & larger business, pro- gun, pro- free market, rugged individualism, strong defense/ military (real defense, not this corporate invasion and occupation's of nation's), TRUE free market ... bottom line Joe, I am all for these thing's and still am to this day ... the thing is, the GOP of today strictly, boldly, and VERY openly does NOT support free market, abandon's small American business's, let's corporate dictation control the voice of Gvmnt, they are trying to even re- write what of the Constitution that they can, and have lost all patriotism whatsoever, investing more abroad than here, disrespected our military time and again, and let the mega organized religious establishment's have too much control, etc, etc ... bottom line Joe, I'm sick and tired of the shit. Later Guy ... BTW, I lived in Chicago a short time and love the city, and also was in fantasy love with Cindy Crawford! (still am) ... I had dream's of being held captive by her ... so I love Illinois! : )
i'm with rational on this one. this post IS all too funny.
based on your logic, joe, we had better call ourselves the Communist States of America as founded in 1776. for the government has been using the flat tax in some form or another since then. we still use it and those taxes are not as controversial as your so called fair graduated tax.
one of those flat taxes is called the "sales tax" that the States use. Another flat tax used is commonly known as the payroll tax.
the income tax when first allowed was a flat tax. it only became a graduated tax when government decided to impoverish the poor even more by making them pay an income tax. so if that is what you call fair, so be it. and you call yourself an advocate of the poor?
your graduated income tax is a 20th century invention like your liberal ideology is.
might also add that the biggest backers of the graduated income tax in this nation was the communist party. and i do believe that they also ally themselves politically to the party of the left in elections, don't they?
The Griper, what a hoot!
Uses the Communist Party of America, which has a total of about 2,000 members as "proof" of the communist basis for a progressive tax.
Then he goes on and sites the sales tax and the payroll tax, as examples of flat taxes. Lets see, sales tax is a state tax, and most states exempt food and drugs, or the basic necessities from this tax.
Payroll taxes are a different thing altogether. They are actually insurance premiums for Social Security/old age benefits/pensions and old age health coverage.
Gotta give the Griper credit, he is really good at the smoke and mirrors game....
So, how many folks want to join this list of nations with a flat tax?
How about a list of countries with the most progressive tax system, and match it up with their standard of living and economic growth?
Even the women are better looking in countries with progressive taxes! Think hot blonde scandanavians!
Give up now Griper. Not even you can trump hot blonde Scandanavian chicks.
Tax the rich. get hot chicks!
Joe - I'm making the rounds and saying goodbye.
Wait a minute - in blogging you don't have to say goodbye - you just shift over a little in the blogosphere.
:)
Good luck to you Sue. You alway added class when you visited.
Truth - Maybe it's just some of that Swedish blood in me but I'll take a hot red head French chick any day over a blonde Scandinavian.
Hey, wait a minute, I already did! ;)
tao,
the sales tax applies to all, rich or poor, at the same rate. the exemptions apply to all. that makes it a flat tax. the fact that it is a State tax is irrelevant to the issue of the post.
the payroll tax is still a tax regardless of how you try to make it something else. you yourself have called it a tax.
tho, i will grant you that it serves the same purpose as a premium in private enterprise with once exception that differentiate them.
it is a tax and not a premium because it is mandatory. we have no choice in the participation of that government program.
and i'd like to remind you, as an aside, that it is a program that we all are forced to participate in but not everyone enjoys the benefits of as intended, especially the poor.
whereas in private enterprise everyone who participates in an insurance program benefits as it was intended.
so, nice try, tao but my comment stands as a fact. and since it is a fact you can't win this argument without convincing others that a falsehood is the truth.
joe,
why should i throw in the winning hand on this issue?
Joe - As Arnold would say - and you gotta love Arnold:
I'll be bock.
:) seg
Ah, The Griper, deluded into believing that his mind is reality.
Hmm...social security is a pension and how does it differ from the private sector? You pay in, you get benefits after so many years.
Medicare and Medicaid, not much different than private sector health insurance are they?
As far as being "forced" to participate, well, I can't register a car without insurance and if I do not maintain homeowners insurance my mortgage company will gladly provide it and bill me.
So, what's your point?
Besides being grumpy?
Lets just turn around a tax dividends and capital gains the same way we tax wages! Take the tax out when the checks are cut.
If you live off your investments then pay the workingman's tax rate, so add the payroll taxes to the income taxes and let that be the tax rate for dividends and capital gains...
Don't want to pay the tax then don't cash out but rather invest for the long term.
No loopholes, no tax deductions, and no writing off loses.
A true FAIR tax....boy, would the rich folks be squealing like pigs!
tao,
what is the difference? yah you are right there is not much difference except for the "force" is there? oops, except for those that are forced pay in but do not get anything back as i said before.
as for auto or home insurance, no one "forced" you to buy that auto or house, did they? the States control the roads thus the States set the terms on driving on those roads. you do not need insurance to drive on private roads or private property.
home insurance is a term of a contract you sign with that bank. and no one forced you to enter into that loan contract. and if they did then that contract cannot be enforced by the rule of law. as a businessman you already knew this.
think your argument through, tao. trying to defend your ideology is getting in the way of your logic.
try again
No one forces you to get a job, no one forces you to live till old age and retire, but like car insurance, home owners insurance the old adage "shit happens" also is true about retirement and ones health in old age.
The difference between social security and health insurance for the elderly is that there is not enough profit in it for the private sector.
The odds of suffering a car accident or damage to ones home are far less that the odds of someone living to 65 and then retiring.
Over 70% of the of ones lifetime medical expenses occur in the last two years of ones life. That is why health insurers cut you off at 65 and that's why they want to sell policies to employers rather than to individuals.
You just do not like the idea of "society" and or the concept of a "social contract." As if man was not a social animal.
Even some better thinkers from your end of the political spectrum such as Friedrich Hayek saw nothing wrong with social security and or nationalized healthcare.
I was going to say what TAO said.
Plus the hot chick thing. French. Scandanavian. German as in my case. Aye Chihuahua!
French chicks of any hair color work for me, Les (though, yes, red-heads with green eyes are especially smokin'). I ain't even remotely picky about it. Oui!
Glad to see that RN and Will agree that socialist chicks are HOT!
Remember, the difference between progressive taxation and flat tax is better looking women!
tao,
you're an intelligent man but to say the following are the words of foolishness and desperation.
"You just do not like the idea of "society" and or the concept of a "social contract." As if man was not a social animal."
the idea of society is a given in any political debate. if it wasn't there would be no need for the idea of debate.
i won't comment on the idea of a "social contract" until you reveal the terms of that contract as you see it to mean.
i am a man of "free will" not of "determinism" and that is a individualistic idea. determinism is a collective one.
and as a man of free will, i recognize that "force" is the root of all evil, not money, as did the founding fathers and is the foundation of our justice system. the application of force is the root means of determinism.
i am a man that does not believe that the end justifies the means as you must by your own ideological thought.
so, word the terms of your idea of what a social contract is carefully for it must be judged by the above criteria in order for it to be called a valid contract.
Determinism
Determinism is the theory that everything that happens in the universe—including every thought, feeling, and action of man—is necessitated by previous factors, so that nothing could ever have happened differently from the way it did, and everything in the future is already pre-set and inevitable. Every aspect of man’s life and character, on this view, is merely a product of factors that are ultimately outside his control. Objectivism rejects this theory. {Professor Leonard Peikoff}
Dictatorship and determinism are reciprocally reinforcing corollaries: if one seeks to enslave men, one has to destroy their reliance on the validity of their own judgments and choices—if one believes that reason and volition are impotent, one has to accept the rule of force. {Ayn Rand}
Points well made Griper.
Next, TAO?
If any discussion of government assumes an acceptance of society then an acceptance of society assumes the existence of a social contract.
As far as your "determinism" and RN's "Objectivism" well, that is so immature and trivial: Where you were born, how you were born, who your parents were, where you went to school and your DNA defines so much of who you are that to claim "free will" is laughable and not one of them did you have any "free will" to choose.
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All this is well and good but the more I look at the original post the more convinced I am that perry is a pinko socia;ist commie.
Hpw can you deny the facts. pinko commie nations,many former commie soviet satelite ones. As well as effite, socialist European nations(as referenced by the many righties who determined that Eurp[ean nations are socialist, have a flat tax as Governor Perry calls for.
Face it. The man is a commie pinko and commie pinkos are determined to rule the worker by getting the workers to unite and throwing off the shackles of oppression the pro graduated tax, capitalist pigs hold dear and keep working folks down.
Beware. These commie pinko flat taxers are determined!
Flat taxes are just attempts to institutionalize the status quo, to turn elites into feudal lords.
The reality is that the current state of our income inequality does mean that the next step in our demise is a flat tax.
If you look at our own economic history and you look at the growth and economic prosperity that we enjoyed during the 40's, 50's, and 60's you notice taxes were higher and very progressive, labor unions were strong, and liberalism was the sentiment of the majority.
Since the 80's we have lowered taxes on the wealthiest, dismantled the labor unions, and adopted a NEO-LIBERAL philosophy, and we have watched as our economic growth has stalled, our standard of living has fallen along with wages, and now we find ourselves facing fuedalism as a future!
Yep, Perry, socialism for the rich, socialism for the oil companies, and poverty for the rest....
TAO - I see you have surfaced again. Good for you!
I have considered your comments. As is my practice I shall break it down for you...
1) Only a fool would declare that ones parents, education, social status, religious affiliation, genetics (DNA), etc. does not have an influence in ones existence. Point ceded.
2) Only a fool refuses to acknowledge that man has free will. The human mind, as you are well aware TAO, has great cognitive ability. In fact mankind (for you liberals humankind) is using only a small percentage of the mind (brains) full potential. Think of the mind as a huge super computer with the ability to reason.
3) Given the influences on a individuals life make up you referenced, and the minds cognitive ability to use reason (if one is rational) then every individual has the right of w\free will. Whether it is used or not is an entirely different matter.
4) Neither the philosophy of Objectivism, nor Determinism is childish. What is childish, IMO, is the dismissing out of hand (as you do TAO) all of the component parts of both. To me, and I speak only for myself, that is, to be polite at the very least, foolish.
5) The flat tax is the most equitable way to taxan individuals income. Progressive axes are not the answer to our problems TAO and you know it.
What the real problem is can be found in the corruption in marriage of government and the monied interest that allow for said corruption. Precisely as Rand observed. And before you remind me of may post on the SCOTUS's decision last year I have addressed my error in the matter. Some people do have the capacity to keep an open mind.
What is needed is this... a graduated income tax up, (to pick a reasonable number) $20,000 for individuals and %30,000 for couples {hetero or same}, adding 5,000 dollars for each child up to two.
Over $40,000 in income results in the flat tax being applied to all. My belief is that a 10% bracket is reasonable and in fact may result in less taxes being paid than under the current system.
6) Revise the tax code, eliminating all tax loopholes and special deductions for individuals and families.
7) Corporations, and here is where ya meet the sticky wicket. Being a businessman TAO I am sure you understand what I am saying.
A) Eliminate the power of the lobbyists in DC. Shut em down!
b) Allow only legitimate businesses expenses as deductions. That can be discussed later for those who need a better understanding, you TAO I am sure don't.
C) After deductions for legitimate business expenses {based on accepted accounting principles) business and corporate taxes should be levied at 7%. No special tax credit or adjustments based on some subjective principle as to how the business might gain (as in tax credits or deductions etc.}if the business accepts certain prescribed Leviathan "preferred" practices.
In summary.... Capitalism nor the flat tax is the enemy of the people. No, No, No, No... Crony capitalism, corporatism, government bailouts, and a flawed and inequitable tax system is.
TAO, pleas feel free NOT to respond to my comment if the only thing you are able to offer is more of you usual....
Truth - I repeat... All too funny!
Oh, the cuteness of the RN and The Griper intellectual tag team.
Actually, progressive taxation is kind of like charging a higher price for the better seats at a sporting event.
If you have no problem with the logic of paying a higher price for front row seats vs. the cheap seats then the logic of progressive taxation shouldn't be all that alien of a concept.
TAO - Read from your script dude. I am beginning to see through your veneer to see your puppet masters pulling the strings.
TAO can buy and sell both of us RN. If he pretended to be a staunch republican conservative he'd probably be mayor of his hometown right now. Or better for him monetarily, making shitloads of money spouting right wing crap at comventions and paying himself to run a right wing think tank like a Cato Or Heritage Foundation thingy.
Don't think anyone pulls TAO's strings.
Sorry Truth, there is not a person alive who could buy me. That is what you and the rest of your liberal buddies fail to recognize about me. .
And that is what makes me dangerous my friend. Now go tell your big brother to dream on.
Tao,
Ohhh you want to use statistics now to defend your ideology huh? Well, that is fine with me I can play that game also. You say that the odds are better huh. Ok, I'll agree with that but let's break those odds down and see what we get from them. I don't know what the odds are that a person will reach the age of 65 but I'll be generous and say that they are 50 to one. We are a nation of 300 million persons so that means that you are willing to throw 15 million thousand under the bus just to defend your ideology. Is the defense of your ideology worth that sacrifice?
Lets break in down even farther and be even more generous in our figures. Lets break in down in accordance to the classes that your ideology likes to use. Lets say that one third of those that died were members of that despicable wealthy class your ideology is always putting down. That is fine, they can afford to give the government that money that you forced them to pay in and give up those benefits, can't they?
That leaves ten million persons among those who are not rich who your ideology forced to pay in moneys but will not receive any of the benefits.
Most of those ten million persons that you are throwing under the bus in defense of your ideology will be members of that class you are so fond of saying you are the defenders of, the poor.
Do you really believe that even one of those persons can afford to just give away that kind of money to the government because your ideology forced them to?
tao,
That is money they could have used to make a better life for themselves if they weren't forced to give it to the government. A person could live a lot better with the extra $100 a month, especially the poor. Even the middle class would like to have an extra $100 a month.
And furthermore how many of those who are below the poverty line are there as a direct result of being forced to pay the government that money instead of being counted among the middle class? That extra $1200 a year can raise the standard of living for a lot of the poor.
And remember this, that figure was for only one year. How many of the poor were thrown under your bus since 1945 just so you can defend your ideology? And that number will continue to grow each and every year. Now, you can look up the actual statistics on this tho I doubt that you will because the poor will be a much higher percentage than I used.
The left is always bragging about how solvent the social security system is, well how much of that solvency is directly due to those who were forced to pay in but never got any benefits?
tao,
Are you willing to accept the responsibility for depriving these people of a better life because your ideology forced them to pay out these moneys that they can not afford to lose? I doubt it. You like to cite the benefits of your ideology but totally ignore the consequences of them. I don't even think anyone on the left has even considered that there might be consequences to pay from applying your ideology of force.
Do the ends justify the means for these people?
You're going to have to present a far better argument than you have, tao. So far all you have done is show me just how shallow your ideology has allowed you to think.
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btw, with your attitude towards the idea of free will there is no such thing as a social contract. by the laws of this nation a contract has to be entered into by the free will of each and every party to that contract. without that condition no contract, oral or written, is considered valid and enforceable. as a businessman you know this.
Griper..
You have just spun out of control...
50 to 1 odds of living to 65? That works out to what? 2%?
The reality is 89% of Americans live to be 65 and actually have a 2.53% chance of living to 100.
All the rest of your garbage is nothing more than a defense of progressive taxation.
Oh Griper my pld freind.
Social Securoty is an annutoy and insurance program. And as such, just as in the private sector, sometimes the house wins. A person with an annuity dies, or they never have to use the disability portion. Just as a homeowner may never have a claim.
Why is it okay for that to happen in the private sector and not the public with you? It'a a mitigation of risk. It's built into the cost structure.
We just saw in 2008 what happens when markets go unregulateed and banks become too big to fail. And you think the citizens would rather risk all their security on that? Buddy; you're nuts.
tao,
"The reality is 89% of Americans live to be 65 and actually have a 2.53% chance of living to 100."
those figures do not rebut my claim. all they do is affirm the generosity of my claim. that percentage only will change the odds from 50 to 1 down to 44.5 to 5.5.
since when is the payroll tax a progressive tax? the income tax is a progressive tax. the payroll tax is a flat tax.
closing your eyes to the consequences of your ideology doesn't change the facts of their existence.
joe,
i'd suggest that you learn a little bit more. annities and insurance policies are fully enforceable "contracts" entered into by the free will of both parties. and the terms are not changeable without voiding that contract
Social Security is a government program. by the fact that it is forcefully supported by taxes social security cannot be called a contract. and the terms of that program is changeable. Congress has the power and authority to change the terms in any way they want even to the point of eliminating the program all together at any time they want.
so, they are nothing alike.
Joe - I used to come here for a laugh - but things are getting too serious here for me.
Check out my blog for a little comic relief.
"Rational" Nation: Progressive taxes are not the answer to our problems TAO and you know it.
Tao "knows" it? Given what Tao has been saying, that is an extremely irrational conclusion.
Tao: Flat taxes are just attempts to institutionalize the status quo, to turn elites into feudal lords. ...the next step in our demise is a flat tax.
Well said. I agree completely.
Truth: And you think the citizens would rather risk all their security on that? Buddy; you're nuts.
He's saying that people would rather have the money that goes to pay into SS now? And risk poverty in old age? And an early death due to medical problems they can't afford to treat? Or starvation? That does sound quite nuts.
Anyway, it looks fairly certain that Romney is going to be the nominee. So we need not worry about Perry's "Commie Pinko Socialist Tax Plan" or Cain's 9/9/9 plan which is even worse.
WD - Right.. Walking away laughing!
Look at the bright side of RN's comment WD. You made a guy laugh. That was good enough for Tim Conway. And it's good enough for me. Now off to Sue's place to see what's so funny.
I usually find those Kardashian bimbos disgusting, Truth. Leave it to you to find a bangin' hot picture of one. The Truthster reigns supreme as usual, my friend.
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